Chaaaange

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Chaaaange

Post by Del » Sun Jan 18, 2009 7:10 pm

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good luck with that, yankeetokers
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Post by Taekwon-joe » Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:13 pm

Its amazing how that topic is the most commented one on the site. Its such a tricky idea though. On the positive side it would be a massive hit on crime possibly wiping out some big time dealers. Tax would have to be paid on it like cigarettes and booze making billions. It would be much cheaper.

I would think the problem lies in controlling it. What kind of laws would have to be put in place? Would they be similar to alcohol? You can smoke cigarettes when your on your lunch break and go straight back to work so would you be allowed to smoke a joint? Obviously not but how would you enforce it?

The majority of posts on that site seem to be in favor of getting rid of the prohibition but I imagine that most of the comments are by young people allot of whom are regular users. I think its very unlikely that it will get passed.
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Post by dintbo(aka bosco) » Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:37 pm

Legalising cannabis is the most sensible way of combating the current economic climate, and here's why:

1. The obvious one. Tax. It would be a huge earner for the government.
2. It would create jobs for people who want to work but can't find any.
3. Companies need to cut costs, and unfortunately that often means lay-offs or redundancies. If its a difficult decision then legalising cannabis would certainly help. Sack the idiots that got stoned before work. (Better still, sack the stoned ones who can't hide it)
4. Police resources are freed up to concentrate on actual crime.
5. People who want to smoke this natural, beneficial plant, can do so without having become 'criminals'
6. If the government fucks up, a good chunk of the country will be too stoned to care that much.
7. IT IS A PLANT THAT GROWS NATURALLY, AND NO ONE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TELL YOU THAT YOU CAN'T USE IT. ONE OF THE REASONS IT IS ILLEGAL IS DUE TO RIDICULOUS PROPAGANDA SUCH AS THIS HOESRSHIT:
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Re: Chaaaange

Post by Johnimus Prime » Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:17 pm

Well said Bosco!

Keith Allen did a good documentary on it years ago and didn't take the view that it should or shouldn't - just looked at the pros and cons of both.

I thought the pros outweighed the cons quite heavily - but maybe I am biased
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Post by MountieXXL » Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:50 pm

so I take it you're a big fan of wacky-cha Johnimus :D just don't let Bosco forget the kettle-base.
I mean, it's all windy stairs. I'm not being funny.

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Post by Johnimus Prime » Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:19 pm

MountieXXL wrote:so I take it you're a big fan of wacky-cha Johnimus :D just don't let Bosco forget the kettle-base.
I'll take it the same way as most things - any way I can get it!
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Post by YamNivek » Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:31 pm

As a non user its another law that doesn't really affect me.

To me it seems very similar to tobacco. The only difference being is that it changes your state of mind. I think this is where it can fall down.

It would seem to be similar to smoking tobacco when it should be more compared to drinking alcohol.

Tobacco doesn't change your state of mind in the short term (long term yes with the addiction). Weed, like tobacco, does change your state of mind (although in different ways) in the short term.

If the drinking laws were rewritten with the words associated with alcohol changed for the words associated with (to quote jased on a friday) "a bit of the old shmoke". Then it would be accepted over time.

Initial reactions from the Daily Mail reading middle classes will be outrage and the world is going to end and "whats next free heroin for school dinners!

Technically, from my point of view, it is no different to drinking and millions enjoy that. There will always be people that will do it to excess. These will be the people that break the driving laws and will get sacked just as a drunk would.
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Post by BBloke » Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:37 pm

Totally agree Bosco.. That kind of ill conceived and ill research propaganda should land the person that came up with it in jail.

To think it all started because of the hemp wars nearly 400 years ago... I think that was between Russia and America IIRC.

Yam, thats the way I see it.. more potent than tobacco but no different from alcohol although you would never hear of trouble caused by a stoner (unless in close proximity to Toco :) ) as you do with alcohol related violence... there lays a more subtle and significant difference.

There was a guy who frequented the old flying forums I visited and he had a rather serious illness. He would rated his pain as 12 against a max of 10. He was a grower and consumed his own as well as passed some on to tied him over with bills. It was a great means to ease any suffering he endured until an operation was done to help his day to day life).
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Re: Chaaaange

Post by Taekwon-joe » Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:49 pm

I have to agree with you yam.

Weed should be classed in the same catagory as alcohol. If ever it becomes legalised it should have similar laws to alcohol, no smoking and driving, must be done in certain places (pubs, at home etc), and such and such.
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Post by BBloke » Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:55 pm

Taekwon-joe wrote:I have to agree with you yam.

Weed should be classed in the same catagory as alcohol. If ever it becomes legalised it should have similar laws to alcohol, no smoking and driving, must be done in certain places (pubs, at home etc), and such and such.
Cant be doing it in pubs as there is a smoking ban but I would say there would be an increase in "private clubs" all over the place. Generally if you pay a subscription fee and sign in to a log in a members club it can be taken that anything goes!
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