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Should The Sandman be banned within the Pugs?(Recount)
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:00 pm
by oldmeme
Alright, we seemed to have a few duds sadly in the last poll because I wasn't being clear enough on what server I was talking about, and it then messed up when I tried a recount. So I'm just starting this new poll up to hopefully get a better stance on the subject, and to save time instead of clearing up the last. And just so we are all clear:
This Ban would not extend to the Fester's Place server or the Kareoke server, it would remain within these organised matches on the ME-ME-OW Server. If you do not intend to play in these games, please do not vote!
Copy & Paste from the last thead:
oldmeme wrote:
In the competitive TF2 world, The Sandman is banned because it dramatically changes the game with so few players. Should we abide to this rule in the future also, or will we let it slide?
I ask this because Scout is probably one of the most valuable team members in 6v6 Matches and every team is going to need at least 1.
Arguably, stunning players is pretty tough to work against if the Scout has good aim. And with ten second respawn times, this could really break the game in the right hands.
So what are your takes on it?
Alternatively, we could set up rules about it such as:
- Class limits of 2 Scouts per team with the Normal bat
- Class limits of 1 Scout per team with the Sandman
(The second would limit the team to one scout entirely, not 1 Scout with the Normal bat and 1 with the Sandman)
Re: Should The Sandman be banned within the Pugs?(Recount)
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:19 pm
by Anubis
since i understood it the first time , it didnt change anything , but , if u'd say it INCLUDES main server , i would vote - BAN the little fuckers boink stick
Re: Should The Sandman be banned within the Pugs?(Recount)
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:44 pm
by Innonexess
I voted 3, even though i dont see the idel option for me (which i one scout with, one without).
Instead i'd say one scout only, with the sandman.
Re: Should The Sandman be banned within the Pugs?(Recount)
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:14 pm
by Crimson Edge
I also voted 3, the Sandman can make or break a deadlocked game if in the right hands, instead of just banning it outright, like those damn unadaptable people in the leagues, just limit the scout to 1 so that its isnt a baseball game.
I'd rather see a game where it takes more than an uber to decide its outcome, which the Sandman presents, and combined with a good flamethrower/backburner wielding pyro can be quite devastating.
Re: Should The Sandman be banned within the Pugs?(Recount)
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:03 pm
by Sharp Dagger
Crimson Edge wrote:I also voted 3, the Sandman can make or break a deadlocked game if in the right hands, instead of just banning it outright, like those damn unadaptable people in the leagues, just limit the scout to 1 so that its isnt a baseball game.
I'd rather see a game where it takes more than an uber to decide its outcome, which the Sandman presents, and combined with a good flamethrower/backburner wielding pyro can be quite devastating.
Anything can break a dead lock.
a decent spy can get behind and kill a whole wave
as i just demonstrated
Re: Should The Sandman be banned within the Pugs?(Recount)
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:41 pm
by MuG
TY for the revote meme, it was very clear that some not involved had tainted the previous poll. Sorry if my previous reply was a bit over aggro
Re: Should The Sandman be banned within the Pugs?(Recount)
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:34 pm
by Taekwon-joe
I voted 1 again. Im not too sure about it being "over powered" but i think that if its banned from league matches then its probably for the better.
Re: Should The Sandman be banned within the Pugs?(Recount)
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:39 pm
by Keasis
The main issue is of course the ability to stun ubers, often wasting a uber-based assault. (most top-tier games resolve around which team has the uber-advantage - being, who gets their uber up before the other team does).
Shortly said, this makes the scout unbalanced. And thus it is destined to the same faith the demo is, cl 1.
Though I myself like a set-up with two scouts, so maybe restrict the sandman to one scout only?
Re: Should The Sandman be banned within the Pugs?(Recount)
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:34 pm
by Loud&Clear
I voted possibly. Sure, it stops ubers, but if the whole game revolves around who gets their uber in first, then the game must be sucking.
Also, compression blasts, if used well, can stop an uber as well.
Also also, what does pug mean?
Re: Should The Sandman be banned within the Pugs?(Recount)
Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:01 am
by Doomzor
I voted possibly as well.